Preventing Escape Without Piercing

I recently watched Thumper’s video on how his PA ring is secured to his steelhart device. I totally get the psychology behind knowing that there is absolutely no way to get out and just having a very solid deterrent keeping you locked up. It’s one of the things I love about bondage…done properly there is no doubt that you will not be able to free yourself…Plus one of the recent posts talked about the KSD3 anti pullout device… Like most guys on this forum I am a tinkerer. I love to take things apart and experiment with how things can be put together. I swear that when I was 9 or 10 years old I invented the Big Wheel by taking off the front wheel of my neighbors tricyle, flipping it over and putting the front wheel back on…plus reversing the seat to the other side…So in the same vein, I was looking at my CB6kS and noticed that the ring is not circular but has a flat on the inside diameter. And I realize that was done to reduce the chance of pull out…and then I wondered what would happen if you flip the second part of the top ring piece (the one without the bars attached) upside down. That would certainly reduce the inside diameter quite a bit, without limiting your ability to connect all the other pieces. I noticed that when doing this the gap remained nearly the same. Of course now the small spacer at the top isn’t going to reach, so I switched to the next size up. Now the gap is firmly established, the lock fits just as tight against the ring and my poor penis is very much trapped. It is only slightly tighter in the ball sack area which I am hoping will stretch over the course of the day. I will let you know how this turns out wearing it this way in a future posts…Anybody else try this out? If so, would like to know what I should look out for, other then the obvious pinch potential…Thanks!

O_o Can I get a picture? Not really following...

Sorry about that...I re-read it and I was rambling....its very easy. There are three parts to the CB6ks ring. The cuff ring is open at the top and there are two top pieces that slide together to close the ring. One of those two top pieces has two fixed posts that slide through the cuff ring and a locking pin that fits in the center. The second top piece slides on the opposite side of the ring through the two posts. The center of that piece has an indentation for a small oval spacer. All I did was take this second piece and flip it so that the two posts can still go through the ring but the locking pin goes right over it. Normally this top piece is frowning ( ^ ), when I flip it around it is smiling ( v ). When placed in this position it blocks about 1/3 of the tube entrance. I hope that helps. I may post a picture later when I am unlocked. Here's a crude drawing: ) Crude drawing *Crude drawing* Diagram.jpg (14.42 KiB) Viewed 11212 times I did find that with my usual size ring, it was a bit too tight, because my penis was being pushed downward and thus filling the gap between the ring and tube a lot more. Having an erection was impossible, taking a piss, luckily, was just fine. Today I went to the next ring size up, to widen the gap between the ring and tube. Because the top of the ring is lined up with the top of the tube, the entrance to the tube remains blocked by the flipped top piece....so pull out is pretty slim...not as good as a PA lock, but I can't get out...

Oooooh! I get it. No, I've never seen anyone do that. Good thinking! Very clever.

Thanks. By the way, I really like your videos. I never understood how the "integrated lock" worked until I saw your last video. I also thought the Chastity Air video was very funny! Thanks for making them....jp

Back in the old days, guys with an unused cuff ring for their CB2000 would cut out the section with the guide pin holes and flip it upside down as a spacer, with much the same effect. I have cut out the flat section from unused hinged cuff rings for the same reason. My only concern about the 6k is whether the ears will be strong enough over time.

On my old CB6K, the "ears" are riddled with stress fractures. I stopped wearing it so it never broke, but it was just a matter of time.

> member_60480c1e50 wrote:Thanks for making them. Thanks for liking them!

This has always been a dilemma, anti pull out without a PA. Actually idea just occurred to me that would be an effective strategy (mind you it probably would not work for me because my mrs could not give a shit). We all focus on how to make a CB impossible to get out of, or if you can get out impossible to get back in, but we all know using a stocking if you can get out its easy to get back in. I have also seen little rubber hoops that lasso tha thing so in theory you can't get out...but how about a BREAKABLE lasso, that is in effect a tamper sensor. This would even make shaking the shit out of the cage to cheat a dangerous activity, of course whatever material you use would have to be strong enough to withstand exercise, but weak enough to break if one tried to pull out or shake. Just musing

About those ears.....yes, the CB6K series will not last forever...I had one of the post pull right out and had to super glue it back in place. I requested a warranty replacement just in case and they sent me a new piece in about 4 days. It would be nice if the top of the ring pieces could be made of metal since they fit all of the ring sizes. It would be a hybrid. I think Tom has replaced his locking pin with a steel pin.... There is always that trade off between fitting comfortably, staying clean and not be able to pull out. If you make the ring size too small then your balls take a beating. I prefer having the open ring instead of the closed ring for that reason. With the closed ring, (which most of the metal designs seem to use), your ball sack really needs to be stretched out good. I am high and tight in the mornings and by evening I am stretched out pretty good. Meaning by the end of the day, my whole kit is loose enough that I could slip out of the tube, but not the ring. And if you can slip out, then you most certainly can slip back in. I wear a rubber cock ring just behind the head of my penis to hold everything in place, as well as to pull things into place. I take a piece of shoelace and slip it through the cock ring before I slide it over the end of my penis. I thread the shoelace through the "pee slit" in the tube and then I push everything down the tube. I use a Q-tip to help move things down the tube, while pulling on the shoe lace. When the ring gets down behind the "flared" part of the tube and the head is lined up with the slit, I pull the shoe lace out and lock the device. It works pretty well. The rubber ring, keeps the head in place and makes it pretty much impossible for an accidental pull out. Soap or other lubricants will always allow the little bugger to wiggle his way out however.... I tried another pull out device that had little rubber "fingers" that allowed one way movement, but they left tiny painful bruises that I could not tolerate. That experience got me to thinking about the Chinese finger idea. Using a piece of woven plastic tubing, could you slide that over your penis and have it held tight inside the tube and locked outside (so you can get it off)? Tie wraps etc. are also ideas that I have experimented with. The problem with all of those, is that you run the risk of pulling too tightly and either not being able to piss or worse, cutting off circulation to the end of your penis. Something you really don't want to risk... The only other thing I can think of is having some sort of a cam action roller put into the top of the tube, that has rods resting on top of the penis. If you try to pull out the cam rolls backward and the rods roll downwards to exert pressure on the penis. Kind of like a points of intrigue on demand idea.... I just keep playing with all these ideas. Thanks everybody for your comments...love to hear what you other tinkerers are doing.

I really like the cam idea but you would have to make it grip enough to turn down as you tried to pull out, but along those lines you could make the cam so it was "dangerous" if it tilted even a little bit down, the only issue with that is that sometimes, for example when you bend over to pick something up there is a natural pull out that you can't avoid, but a bit of temporary pain would be OK. The dangerous bits should come into play during the night tho..:?

Hello everyone! I just got a JailHouse chastity device (or at least that's what I think it is called) so my question would be: is there any anti-pull-out addons for this device? or maybe DIY anti-pull-out? cause it seems that I am able to pull out my pennis even with the smallest ring on. the one that is 4cm. thank you for your answers;) and PLEASE don't disapprove my post again for nothing:D

Realistically for any device escape is possible without a piercing, all we can do its make it harder, or discourage said action. With any chastity device a good part of it is still in the mind......even with a piercing.

Yes "wantshiny" I understad what you mean.. But are there any pull-out addons for this device? ..to make it harder to escape:)

There are several for CB series devices, that you may be able to modify for your metal device: the "points of intrigue", KSD3 and one that I described earlier in the post. A ring that has tiny rubber fingers that hold your penis in place. Check out: security inserts....Make sure you do dot net and not dot com.....

A lot of BDSM equipment is made in China, search ebay for male chastity. I have a tube like this but without the pull out preventer, I emailed a request to the seller, he supplied me with both sizes for $19.65 delivered. I also ordered a stainless tube, I forgot to order a larger ring, the seller just sent me one, free. The Chinese will make you anything to order. Here is the link ... 4cf71dd3d5

I just had another idea that involves a piercing, but not the rather severe PA. What about a Pubic Piercing with a fixed ring inserted that could be slipped over the locking pin of the device? Has anybody experience with such a piercing? K

> member_03509db961 wrote: > What about a Pubic Piercing with a fixed ring inserted that could be slipped over the locking pin of the device? I played with that idea for a while too. I'm not sure how well it would work though. I tried marking myself with a sharpie where it would need to be to secure to the cage. I then paid attention to where those marks ended up when I tried to become fully aroused (like during a nocturnal erection). It seemed to me that it would put a lot of stress on the piercing, the marks weren't even close. -A

Okay, this might be a silly idea, and I don't think I would want to be the first to try it. But what about a few drops of CA glue between the first ring and the penis? I know CA glue works well for closing small cuts and isn't toxic. I've also seen products that will debond the glue that might work when your ready to take the device off.

So is there an anti pullout device for this CD?

Forgive me if I sound ignorant, because on the subject of PA's I am, but couldn't you simply take the PA ring out, even if it's hooked to or through the cage, and thus give access to pull out in back of the cage? The Looker series with urethral inserts that go below the base ring look like the best physical means of security to me. But ultimately, the best security is your own mind, I think. Who would want to ruin the fun by cumming without permission, no matter how desperate?

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> member_381064b05f wrote:Back in the old days, guys with an unused cuff ring for their CB2000 would cut out the section with the guide pin holes and flip it upside down as a spacer, with much the same effect. I have cut out the flat section from unused hinged cuff rings for the same reason. > My only concern about the 6k is whether the ears will be strong enough over time. I've done that off and on over the years, it didn't really work for me. Didn't realize having CB-2000 rings marked you as from "the old days." Oy.;)

One thing I would add. If you look at the Steelworxx Looker 03.. it has a PA Lock. that is made out of Titanium. This is the device I have and use. If you have different devices they sell the lock by itself also. ... 5jtjblsnl4 The main reason I have this device is because I could defeat the others. My PA, I could open the ring one way or another and get out of the device. Yes, I know it isn't the point but just like being tied down, I don't want to know "i can get out if I want". I want to know I have to break or destroy something to get out. ... dklk6ds9f7 Looks like the lock alone is 129 Euro.

If I ever find out Joseph has slipped out of his Jail Bird he is going to get such a spanking!

> The main reason I have this device is because I could defeat the others. My PA, I could open the ring one way or another and get out of the device. Yes, I know it isn't the point but just like being tied down, **I don't want to know "i can get out if I want".** My sentiment too. I like realism, it's much more exciting if I *know* I *can't* escape. Initially I was a little put off by the urethral inserts. I had mentioned to the Mrs. that a SS device would be better than plastic but I didn't mention the inserts...now, the more I think about it, the more the idea appeals- I think that the insert that extends beyond the base ring would probably be sufficient to prevent 'pullout' for me, and an integrated lock instead of the small (and easily cut) padlock would be the icing on the cake. The only problem is that I think that Mrs. Twisted might be a little squeamish about the insert.

I showed my keyholder the YouTube video of the guy installing a Looker 02 with a urethral insert and she visibly shivered as he slipped it in. Might be something I'd have to do myself under supervision. The idea appeals to me as well. But I worry about getting hit in the device and being harmed down inside, and about long-term use issues like scar tissue. Nobody wants urethral repair surgery! But might be fun for a day or two at a time, indoors!

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> member_efaaeaef99 wrote:Oooooh! I get it. > No, I've never seen anyone do that. Good thinking! Very clever. Seriously? It was common practice in the days of the CB2k to cut down the ring that you were least likely to use to fill that recess. I assumed that the shape of the pins on the CB6k made it not possible these days (never had one) I'm looking at doing something similar with the Steelheart's integrated lock in the future (communication & finance allowing) that would give it a smoother profile and reduce the vulnerability of the lock barrel. I've just Upsized my PA to 3mm and I can't move the ball, never mind open the ring so once it's inside the tube it really will be game over. It's more about her knowing I can't rather than hoping I don't. In short it will confer probity to my chastity.

Some experiences of mine: I have Steelworxx Revenge with metal PA fixing. Even though it's theoretically possible to insert some tool inside the cage, I don't see how I could open the PA ring. Especially with smaller diameters and greater thicknesses it's pretty fiddly even when not locked up. But then again, in my country it seems to be the norm for professional piercers to do PA's starting with 3mm and then guys go up from there. (I currently have 5mm - I don't know how that translates to ga.) I'm also accustomed to wearing the ball of the ring underneath the foreskin. So, all in all, this arrangement seems to be virtually escape-proof (unless one uses heavy machinery). However, there was a twist. When ordering the device I didn't realize the weight of the thing would pull it down even if one's not sagging (and even more when one is). As a result the device and the fixing are a bit too long. Used as such, the fixing pulls painfully on the piercing - quite nasty. I solved the problem by attaching two consecutive metal rings of small diameter (the kind you use for your keys) to my PA and threading the fixing through the last one. I find this very comfortable - probably much more so that the original design would have implied - there's only the occasional teasing reminder of it being there when I get an erection. A question to those using urethral inserts: could you please explain to me exactly how does one function as an anti-pull-out measure? If you can pull out from the cage (I always could, before the PA) can't you slide the insert out as well?

> member_5acc0673e6 wrote: I tested out a looker 01 with an insert that extended 15 mm beyond the base ring and had no trouble pulling it backwards. That issue ended up ruining the device for me. Right now, I’m using a Steelheart with the same setup as thumper’s (PA fixing), so far I think it holds very well.