Mature Metal discussion

To be honest, I haven’t put in enough time or effort to call this a full review. I’m actually quite disappointed. I received the Pet Trap today. The build quality is excellent and the measurements are spot on. If I had followed the guidelines over at Chastity Heaven, I could have gone 1/2” longer for a perfect fit. Currently, it sits within my anatomical tolerances. I opted for a small 1/4” gap to stop pull-outs, which worked well—I can’t slip out through the space between the base ring and tube. The only hiccup is with the lock. I bought an 1/8” hasp Masterlock with black rubber casing to avoid clinking. It turns out that wasn’t just unnecessary but a bit of a mistake. The hole for locking is so tight that while you can thread the hasp all the way through, it gets jammed when combined. This means the lock doesn’t fully close properly on its own; however, the hasp manages to hold everything together. The fix is minor and just needs some filing for a workable solution, but I probably should have ordered a lock straight from MM to guarantee compatibility. However, there’s a bigger anatomical issue. My testicles hang very low and stretch further down than most. An accident (non-play related) once caused them to swell significantly, adding to my naturally loose scrotum. Now, I can pull both testicles and scrotum up near the corona of my erect penis. This means any device using a trapped ball design can be pulled up along my shaft. Essentially, I can back the penis out from both the tube and base ring. By placing a finger under it and pulling upward, the entire penis is free. Because I chose that narrow 1/4” gap for the base ring, I cannot get the balls out of their trap. But right now, it seems irrelevant because I can push the flaccid penis back in… The first issue (Problem A) is clear: without a piercing, security will always be questionable.

The second problem (Problem B), however, is much worse. After fitting the device and before trying to escape, I tested its effectiveness. It appears I have another significant anatomical trait. Either my nervous system is overly sensitive or my circulatory system produces arousal-level results even with sub-arousal pleasure signals. Perhaps I’ve become too good at separating orgasm from ejaculation. Or maybe it’s because I can tolerate stretching the scrotum so much that the device only holds the tip of my engorged penis, while most of the length migrates out the back—I have already learned how to achieve an orgasm with the penis tucked down rather than up and erect.

So yes, after putting on my second real chastity device (Birdlocked was the first), it underwent testing for chastity capability. It took about 2 minutes of simple cage shaking to prove otherwise. I kept the device on for another 10-15 minutes to check fit and blood flow during which time ejaculation slowly occurred. Then, I discovered I could escape too.

The only conclusion is that standard chastity isn’t a realistic option here. If I choose smaller diameter rings, I risk edema and circulation issues. If I go longer in length, I can still back most of the penis out while retaining ample empty space. If I opt for more all-around containment, I believe pleasurable sensation will actually increase. There isn’t even a guarantee that a full belt would help—I am capable of orgasm without any external penile stimulation whatsoever.

So, I’m slightly bummed. Cutting my losses and calling it quits. At least I didn’t have to wait 6 months or spend double the price to find out the same result.

The solution is to avoid beltless models unless MM can alter them to trap you completely. Have you considered the Latowsky Belt? It costs 1200 Euro plus a trip to Germany for fitting, but your unique anatomy will ensure you never get out of the device without the **key**.

> cbtok said: > The solution is to not use the beltless models, unless MM can alter to trap you completely. > Have you looked at the Latowsky Belt? It is 1200 Euro and a trip to Germany for fitting, but your unique anatomy will never get out of the device without a **key**. > Click to expand... That's a far bit more costly and unwieldy option than I would consider reasonable. Especially since I'm not convinced getting in or out of the device has anything to do with it. I can climax with or without direct stimulation, inside any containment device which allows proper fluid flow, with or without proper erection. 1/8" smaller and I'm risking edema - and also still able to climax. 1/4" smaller and I'm having numbness issues if left overnight - and also still able to climax. 3/8" smaller and I'd be doing serious tissue damage if left for long - that climax was not just painful, but drew blood. Obviously not a good idea to do regularly and I wouldn't care to repeat it. Most people that are able to climax in such circumstances still need long periods of mental arousal to get them to the point they can peak. I can do it in two minutes with a combination of pelvic floor exercises and non-penile stimulation. The **chastity** tube actually seems to help the process along. Without a tube, genitals confined to tight fitting underwear, it can take up to 30 minutes, but still possible. It's actually harder yet with totally unconfined genitals, as there is no feedback, but with unconfined genitals, obviously an easier route to climax is possible. 18 months or thereabouts on the honor system was my longest, and that flat out beats most people in devices, so against my wishes, I guess I'm going back to that.

Oh man, sucks to be you:( Sorry to hear it. Maybe some sort of locking **leather** harness to keep the device up against your pelvis would help? Still have the problem of being able to reach an **orgasm** far too easily. Maybe you need to rub desensetising cream into your glans every hour of every day, I'm sure that would help in the long run:D

One possible solution to the security issue might be a device with a penis **plug** (like the Steelworxx Looker 01). With a long enough plug it would still not be possible to hook out of the device as the plug would come back past the ring. I'm not sure it would solve your other issues or be a sensible solution for long-term use but perhaps MM could sort out a **plug** for your existing device to give it a try.

**Mature Metal** Wow I'm not sure there is anything that can help you. It sound like you can **orgasm** on demand. If there is a solution I don't know what it is. Also a **plug** will not help.

**Self Control** Yours is a case where it will take self control to obtain **chastity**. I can also cum without erection and minimal stimulation. I found out not long after I purchased my Access Denied stainless steel belt, All I had to do was wiggle my belt for a few minutes and I would ejaculate without even getting hard. I was bummed out but decided I would continue using my belt. I have never done that again, since then I changed the penis tube to a smaller size, this helps but would not prevent an unauthorized **orgasm**. I have reasoned within myself that #1 I asked for **chastity** not my wife so it is up to me to maintain it and be honest about it. #2 I enjoy that I have given control of my **orgasm** to my Queen so why would I want to cheat? No matter what method one uses I am convinced that successful **chastity** is more about self control than enforced control. The **lock** my wife has on my genitals is a mind **lock**, it is her will and my self control, not the master **lock** on the **chastity** device. I hope this doesn't sound condescending, I certainly don't mean it that way. I also hope this helps you or someone who reads it.

> Burger_01 said: > Oh man, sucks to be you:( Sorry to hear it. > Maybe some sort of locking **leather** harness to keep the device up against your pelvis would help? Still have the problem of being able to reach an **orgasm** far too easily. > Maybe you need to rub desensetising cream into your glans every hour of every day, I'm sure that would help in the long run:D > Click to expand... A locking **leather** harness sounds like something that would help hold the genitals in the confinement, which would increase sensation. It appears part of my problem is the ability to redirect any sensation, even negative or painful feedback into a sexually positive response. Perhaps through practice of various pelvic exercises - such as cutting the stream mid-flow, which are designed to stop **orgasm** and ejaculation, I have learned complete control of the urogenital structures. Thus, now having separated the functions of ejaculation and **orgasm**, I can achieve one without the other (I have done this both ways). Unfortunately, this makes the original goal even less attainable. lidocaine and benzocaine applied topically in repeated long durations will bring on lidocaine toxicity (CNS affected, you die) or methemoglobinemia (you turn blue and suffocate). I've used tetracaine and gotten great 4+ hour numbness results from one application. Was interesting but not very fun. Applied daily, it is possible the body would build tolerance. It doesn't damage the nerves, so repeated application would only make it less effective. Funny how we always want the things we can't have and the more we work towards them, the further away they get.

> Smaug said: > Yours is a case where it will take self control to obtain **chastity**. I can also cum without erection and minimal stimulation. I found out not long after I purchased my Access Denied stainless steel belt, All I had to do was wiggle my belt for a few minutes and I would ejaculate without even getting hard. > Click to expand... Wow, that sounds exactly like what happens to me. Wiggle for a few minutes... and yes, without even getting hard. No, you don't sound condescending at all. I realize it will take self control. Fortunately, I have it - I mean, yeah, I've done 18+ months of denial - after which I sort of lost count, but it didn't go to two years. This immediately after a six month previous run with only a week break. Two years, btw, is my goal. It's just so damn hard to keep up with it for that long! I was hoping a device would help. For me anyway, it appears to do the contrary. Now wondering what to do with it. It sure is shiny and pretty. And it actually feels really good to wear. Not just comfortable, but really good. Maybe it will make an appearance in our sex life after all - but being not secure for me in the only way that actually matters, it'll be more of a sex aid than anything else. I just don't have the spirit to bring it into the picture now, the zeal and fight of this self-OD advocate is temporarily banished.

> lock4ever said: > A locking **leather** harness sounds like something that would help hold the genitals in the confinement, which would increase sensation. It appears part of my problem is the ability to redirect any sensation, even negative or painful feedback into a sexually positive response. Perhaps through practice of various pelvic exercises - such as cutting the stream mid-flow, which are designed to stop **orgasm** and ejaculation, I have learned complete control of the urogenital structures. Thus, now having separated the functions of ejaculation and **orgasm**, I can achieve one without the other (I have done this both ways). Unfortunately, this makes the original goal even less attainable. > lidocaine and benzocaine applied topically in repeated long durations will bring on lidocaine toxicity (CNS affected, you die) or methemoglobinemia (you turn blue and suffocate). I've used tetracaine and gotten great 4+ hour numbness results from one application. Was interesting but not very fun. Applied daily, it is possible the body would build tolerance. It doesn't damage the nerves, so repeated application would only make it less effective. > Funny how we always want the things we can't have and the more we work towards them, the further away they get. > Click to expand... I have found that no **lock** made will hang straight forward, which means that the **lock** will encounter your thigh at some point. What we have come up with for a solution is to use a 6-32 x 5/8" threaded bolt with a locknut that is sealed with a nail polish of an unusual color that Goddess keeps in her possesion. This prevents the two sections of the pet rap from twisting, allowing the testicles from slipping out as well as maintaining security. Caged Ray from maine