Full Belts discussion

Hello everyone. I’m currently wearing my Pheonix device while traveling, but Ms. Tinks requires a full steel belt for home use. I am leaning towards Neosteel as the brand of choice, but would appreciate some guidance on the most appropriate configuration, or alternative suggestions if anyone feels strongly about other manufacturers. To meet my needs, I need something that provides a smooth front profile since Ms. Tinks doesn’t want me drawing attention from other women with anything too obvious. Also, when she decides it’s time for me to wear panties, this setup should fit well. My job involves sitting at a desk, but I also play soccer as a goalkeeper, so a configuration that works for both would be ideal; right now, I go uncaged in the rear. I am slightly overweight but don’t have much of a belly protrusion. Regarding clothing, I usually wear suits or fashionable low-rise jeans. I’m unsure whether chains, a “thong cable,” or a metal strap at the back is preferable. Comfort for 24/7 wear is essential, and Ms. Tinks would like anal access without requiring me to uncage myself. She has her own toys (strap ons), but she’s also interested in systems that integrate more tightly with the belt. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Richard

I believe you might need to adjust your jeans style, unless you wear a shirt untucked over them to cover the waistline.

[quote name='Ms Tinks' wand']Hi Subbies and Sissies [/QUOTE] And I think you left out Mistresses and **master**:animal0017:

Hello Miss Tink's wand, The Neosteel Shemale belt seems like the right choice for you. It definitely provides a smooth front line and fits well even with tight jeans. Sitting at your desk all day is no issue if it is fitted correctly. As for your belly, I would suggest going with the ergonomic hip version. Neither weight gain nor loss should be a problem with that model. Regarding soccer, I think the sports rear solution will work fine, though I don't have personal experience with it myself. In my view, whoever wears the belt must adapt their life to it rather than changing everything else around it. Hope this helps. mad katrin

Thank you for your responses. Mistress Snaggle, I didn't include owners because I assumed they don't wear belts. Mad Katrin, I agree that my life should adjust to what my **mistress** deems appropriate. However, football is a very significant part of my existence here. My Mistress wants to enhance our shared lives rather than take away mine.

[quote name='Ms Tinks' wand']and My **mistress** seeks to enhance our lives together, not to rob me of mine.[/QUOTE] Amen. That sounds like a healthy relationship. Since you value your sports activities highly, the total styles are likely out. Some might argue that proper measurement makes it irrelevant, but realistically, playing goalie involves many awkward contortions. The advantage of the total style (specifically the band with the open eyelet) is free access to the anus; you can insert objects and more. Moreover, you can actually **lock** items inside or completely deny access without unlocking the main belt. This leaves a few other options. First, there's the ergo rear, which functions like the total but bends more easily. This allows for anal access, though nothing can be locked in place nor can full denial of access occur. Additionally, after bending, the usable diameter for insertion might decrease slightly. Still, I'm not sure how feasible that is given your range of motion, as I lack first-hand experience. Next up are the she-male sports rear and male sports rear. The she-male version features a thick cable designed *not* to allow anal access if fitted correctly, while the male version has a thinner cable meant to be pulled aside for **anal** use when properly fitted. This creates a bit of a dilemma. Technically, the she-male front offers the slimmest, most feminine look regardless of rear style. With the sports variant, this smoothness comes at the cost of **strap-on** access without removing the belt (you can defecate as the cable slices waste in half, but practical penetration is difficult). The male front remains form-fitting and very smooth, though not quite as perfectly contoured as the she-male. However, it allows your wife to pull the thinner cable aside for **anal** use. Furthermore, with both ergo and she-male sport fronts, the penis tube is closed and rounded at the end. This contrasts with the she-male total, male total, and male sports belts where the tube opens at the bottom but intersects flushly with the shield base, preventing easy access from below. For cable versions (she-male and male sports), Neosteel offers specially made **dildo** fittings that attach directly to the cable. The downside is you must unlock the belt to place the **dildo** on the cable and insert it into your body. The Masterpiece Arch uses a she-male cable which, if fitted well, denies anal access. However, this arch design offers superior mobility due to having no front shield; the trade-off is slightly less smoothness in the front depending on scrotal anatomy. Finally, outside of the interchangeable system line, I believe there are male and she-male belts available with jockstrap-style **chain** attachments at the back. This allows full anal access plus a removable strap-like piece that can independently lock items in place (provided you choose the two-lock version). Main drawbacks include sitting on the chains, potential rattling or marks from them, and if you dislike it, buying an entirely new belt since these aren't part of the system line. -- To summarize, decide what matters most versus what you can sacrifice. You essentially have three extremes, picking any two: comfort/flexibility, rear access, and front smoothness. You might contact Neosteel to see if they offer custom solutions; I recall reading in their reviews that they do make bespoke units. Alternatively, measuring slightly loose for the she-male sports could allow more cable movement, though reports suggest this may cause chafing/discomfort or insecurity. No idea myself as I lack direct experience. ... pity they don't loan out samples for honest testing.:\ Hope that assists you. Cheers =)

Excellent advice one900goat! Nice to see you here!:manga_blowkiss:

I'm disappointed to learn that the Masterpiece Arch utilizes a she-male cable. I assumed this would be messy since you can't pull it aside for defecation easily. I hope Neosteel offers the male sports cable as an option. What about the "sports tube" with small perforations all around? Does anyone know if they provide that in the Arch style? The Arch looks wonderful otherwise.

> JustLocked said: > I'm unhappy to read that the Masterpiece Arch uses the she-male cable. I would think that would be quite messy, not being able to pull the cable aside to defecate. I hope Neosteel will allow the male sports cable as an option. > What about the "sports tube" with the small holes all around it? Do you know if they offer that in the Arch style? > The Arch looks great other than that, though. > Click to expand... JustLocked, It seems your information and terminology might be mixed up. In Neosteel's terms, there is no such thing as a "she-male cable," but judging by your comment about pulling the cable aside, you are likely referring to the SPORTS cable you mentioned hoping for. Let me clarify. Neosteel has one general cable rear type and one specific cable-only rear only type. They call it their "sports" rear cable. This is the style with a single cord riding in your crack like a thong. The Arch supports this configuration. The other option for the Arch is the "ergo rear." This resembles a split metal shield that contours around the anus and adjusts to fit your shape precisely. It's reportedly comfortable, more hygienic during bathroom visits, and still permits **mistress** access to your backside. Those are the two configurations available for the Arch. Regarding the tube, there is no specific "sports tube" in Neosteel terminology. You're likely thinking of the "climate tube," designed for better airflow through the belt tubes to maintain hygiene. However, this isn't an option for the Arch because it uses a DIFFERENT type of tube. The Arch's tube does have holes at the bottom for urination drainage. Everyone I've spoken with who switched from another Neosteel model to the Arch says its new tube is actually more hygienic and easier to clean. The Neosteel Arch looks excellent overall, and everyone wearing one praises it. I plan to order mine in a few weeks... once my measuring kit arrives! Good luck!

I own the Neosteel She-Male Sports belt. If I am careful, I can just barely pull the thicker cable to one side for defecation, and it poses no issue for **anal** access. By the way, anal stimulation is quite frustrating while locked up! Cleaning isn't a problem; I usually shower twice daily, often defecating before one bath and using a cleaning enema during the other. This means I rarely worry about bowel movements when away from home. I pack individual wipes just in case. Yes, I have the climate tube with extra venting holes. Managing smells and moisture around the penis is not difficult. I was concerned that the Total System's larger **anal** opening might cause rubbing or make cleanup messy after defecation. With the Sports Male belt, I disliked the open tube design because it looked like the penis could get pinched sometimes???? I love my She-Male Sports belt and have worn it during various activities. It gets in the way occasionally, but isn't that part of wearing a steel **chastity** device? I also appreciate the New Arch and Masterpiece System Hipband Module; both feature built-in adjustments allowing for weight loss or gain. Sincerely, Being locked in Neosteel 1st hand, Missy Tanya Here are some links to Neosteel's Web pages: The She-Male Sports Belt. The Male Sports Belt. The System **chastity** Belt

dixiewrecked, I was referring to what one900goat wrote: "Next, there's the she-male sports rear, which is a thick cable designed *not* to allow **anal** access if properly fitted, and then there's the male sports rear, which is a thinner cable designed to be able to be pulled aside and therefore allow anal access if properly fitted." So, some confusion remains. But that Arch and Masterpiece hip belt look amazing! JustLocked

Oh boy... Neosteel just confuses me from start to finish! But the more I examine them, the more I like them!

Dixiewrecked & Justlocked, My Keyholder and I visited Neosteel this week (see my post on that at the referenced community page) and can confirm Dr. Mende will provide a climate tube for my Arch type belt (with extra holes for breathing, etc.) but with a closed and rounded end (except for the urine evacuation hole). Cheers Bathingcaplovers

Thank you everyone, especially one900Goat; your reply deserves to be posted on the Neosteel website!

bathingcap, Are you getting a thicker cable for the Arch or a thinner one? The Arch with a thinner cable and Climate Tube, along with the Masterpiece hip belt, looks like the best possible combination for a **chastity** device!

No extra cable JustLocked; Dr. Mende will fit the Arch and climate tube to an ergo rear for me. When you visit him, you can experiment with different configurations yourself—tell them what you want, and they'll determine feasibility or suggest alternatives if needed. Really great service. Bathingcaplovers

Thanks, Bathingcaplovers! Please keep us updated... I'm looking forward to more first-hand experiences with the Arch and Masterpiece belt as I save up for the set! JustLocked (not at present)

> dixiewrecked said: > Let me set this straight. Neosteel has one cable type rear, and one cable type rear only. > Click to expand... Incorrect. Please refer to their webpage: The male sports cable diameter is 6mm, while the shemale sports cable as well as the Arch are both 10mm. Thus, as I mentioned earlier, one is larger than the other. If you browse the product pages on their site, it explicitly states that one can be pulled aside whereas the other cannot.

> one900goat said: > Incorrect. Please refer to their webpage: > The male sports cable diameter is 6mm, while the shemale sports cable as well as the arch is 10mm. Thus, as I said before, one is larger than the other. If you go fish through the site to find the product pages, it explicitly states that one can be pulled aside whereas the other cannot. > Click to expand... Wow! I stand corrected. Thank you one900goat. In all my communications with Reinhold, he always refers to "thong" type rear cables as the "sports" rear without distinguishing between male, shemale, or Arch versions. Additionally, when I first started considering Neosteel (which took a LOOONG time trying to make heads and tails of things), I waded through every page on their website thinking I had seen it all... but apparently not! This is the first time I've seen specific differing measurements for the "sports" type rear across various belts. Just when I thought I understood everything Neosteel offers!! haha. Truth be told, I might have missed this or it didn't come up because I decided on an Arch with the "ergo" style rear, so I never got too deep into details about the "sports" rear regarding him either way though. Good to know! Thanks!

> one900goat said: > Incorrect. Please refer to their webpage: > The male sports cable diameter is 6mm, while the shemale sports cable as well as the arch is 10mm. Thus, as I said before, one is larger than the other. If you go fish through the site to find the product pages, it explicitly states that one can be pulled aside whereas the other cannot. > Click to expand... one900goat, Thanks for summarizing this! Their pages are really confusing. It does show the Arch with the 10mm cable...but I bet that could be changed to a 6mm cable. JustLocked (not lately)

I'm very happy with the Arch:licking: