Full Belts discussion

I was checking out the Neosteel site and noticed their latest offerings, the Masterpiece and the Arch. They appear fantastic — sleek, fashionable, comfortable, and discreet. Has anyone used this gear yet? Thanks, JustLocked

**"arch"** hi,, i have been wearing the "ARCH" since January and I consider it to be the most modern, comfortable, hygienic, secure and concealed chastity - belt available .. you only need the hip belt and the "ARCH" unit, meaning just two pieces for a perfect chastity setup .. the "ARCH" fits perfectly while the masterpiece system needs no linings or profiles .. I am permanently locked in the "ARCH" and think it is the best solution for long term chastity!! reg.. GWENY:boobeyes:

Where did you get your arch? The Neosteel website isn't entirely clear on which product is which. The belt looks really nice, appearing more flattening than the she-mail belt.

Gweny, thanks for the photos, they're great! And thank you for your quick reply. You said exactly what I was hoping someone would say... It's quite pricey, but I think I've finally found the steel belt that suits me. Just two questions...how long do you usually go between removing it for cleaning, and what lubricant do you use on the tube and/or waistband? Thanks, JustLocked

> gweny said: > hi,, i have been wearing the "ARCH" since January and I consider it to be the most modern, comfortable, hygienic, secure and concealed chastity - belt available .. you only need the hip belt and the "ARCH" unit, meaning just two pieces for a perfect chastity setup .. the "ARCH" fits perfectly while the masterpiece system needs no linings or profiles .. I am permanently locked in the "ARCH" and think it is the best solution for long term chastity!! reg.. GWENY:boobeyes: > Click to expand... Gweny, your pictures and enthusiasm for the ARCH are wonderful! Thank you! To krissi's point, does the ARCH present a nice flat front like a she-male belt? Do you wear it with girls' clothes as in the avatar? Dollyanne would definitely prefer something that presents a flat front for girlie wear, just like krissi says. The only issue dollyanne sees with the ARCH is perhaps the price and delivery time. Is there a source in the U.S.? Huggs,:animal0008: dollyanne

Has anyone else had experience with the Masterpiece Arch? I’m keen to find out more. This device seems to be by far the best. The website isn’t exactly clear and I can't see where I would select the arch.:anim_43:

**neosteel "ARCH"** hi all,, the "ARCH" is on the neosteel website or just send an i-mail to neosteel.. it wears as flat as the she-male belt and with the right panties one gets the "camel toe" effect (|),i only wear tide lady pants at all times and am as flat as my K/H . usually a bit flatter LOL because she puts some weight on!! i can wear the "ARCH" for a week without opening it for cleaning when away from home. If at home, she opens me daily just to clean and cream with Vaseline only,, for both pipe and hip belt..there are no silicon profiles,so Vaseline is not an issue.. here in our country we deal with heat and humidity, so I found a belt without profiles,creamed with normal Vaseline,is the best option..all in all i find the "ARCH" an outstanding solution especially for our climate conditions,,,nothing beats the "ARCH" in comfort,hygiene and security!! reg.. GWENY:anim_19:

Dear Slave Kris, Here is the link to Neosteel's Arch web page in Germany. I have used these pages often to decide which one I wanted. Lots of info, description, pictures, reviews, etc. This is the link to their new U.S.-based web pages; haven't used them much yet, a bit confusing at first, but for us Americans it might work out better. I highly recommend buying the measuring kit as your first purchase and then e-mailing them with any questions; they will have the right answers. Mr & Mrs Mende are both wonderful, professional people to deal with. I had the good fortune to meet them at my fitting in Seattle WA last year to get sized for my belt. They made us comfortable despite a somewhat uncomfortable purchase. And now I own a belt that is a big, important, life changing, mood altering part of the rest of my life. Could be happier. Missy Tanya:party0019:

> gweny said: > hi all,, the "ARCH" is on the neosteel website or just send an i-mail to neosteel.. it wears as flat as the she-male belt and with the right panties one gets the "camel toe" effect (|),i only wear tide lady pants at all times and am as flat as my K/H . usually a bit flatter LOL because she puts some weight on!! i can wear the "ARCH" for a week without opening it for cleaning when away from home. If at home, she opens me daily just to clean and cream with Vaseline only,, for both pipe and hip belt..there are no silicon profiles,so Vaseline is not an issue.. here in our country we deal with heat and humidity, so I found a belt without profiles,creamed with normal Vaseline,is the best option..all in all i find the "ARCH" an outstanding solution especially for our climate conditions,,,nothing beats the "ARCH" in comfort,hygiene and security!! reg.. GWENY:anim_19: > Click to expand... Thank you, gweny! Having a "camel toe" would be interesting for a sissy girl! One question dollyanne has is, What is meant by "profiles"? Is this a particular kind of material or design? Dollyanne has seen that term before but wasn't sure what it meant. Does it mean it is all steel with no silicon coating in the tube? Huggs,:animal0008: dollyanne

> Missy Tanya said: > Dear Slave Kris, Here is the link to Neosteel's Arch web page in Germany. I have used these pages often to decide which one I wanted. Lots of info, description, pictures, reviews, etc. > > > This is the link to their new U.S.-based web pages; haven't used them much yet, a bit confusing at first, but for us Americans it might work out better. > > I highly recommend buying the measuring kit as your first purchase and then e-mailing them with any questions; they will have the right answers. Mr & Mrs Mende are both wonderful, professional people to deal with. I had the good fortune to meet them at my fitting in Seattle WA last year to get sized for my belt. They made us comfortable despite a somewhat uncomfortable purchase. And now I own a belt that is a big, important, life changing, mood altering part of the rest of my life. Could be happier. > Missy Tanya:party0019: > Click to expand... Thank you for these links Missy Tanya! Dollyanne checked out the U.S. link and found they had a gallery of very nice pictures from satisfied customers in the "Reference" section, including our very own gweny, and maid katrin plus many more! [![NsGallery[1].jpg](the referenced community page)](the referenced community page).jpg] Dollyanne didn't see any pictures of the arch in the gallery, but it would be nice to see a picture with the "camel toe" gweny mentions! Huggs,:animal0008: dollyanne

Gweny, I keep looking at your pictures. They blow my mind. I surrender. I've just ordered the measuring kit! JustLocked (not locked right now)

I do have a question for those who have experienced one of these belts... are they unobtrusive? As in, can you wear them under normal boy clothes like everyday suits and pants, or do they stick out like a sore thumb? I would love to get one but day-to-day wear requires discretion.

I wear a neosteel sport belt, and you can't see it under my tighty whities. I change with other people around and they do not notice it. Though I still worry about being spotted while changing. The neosteel belts hide much better than the cbxxxx. IMHO!:character0028:

> chastesoon said: > I wear a neosteel sport belt, and you can't see it under my tighty whities. I change with other people around and they do not notice it. Though I still worry about being spotted while changing. The neosteel belts hide much better than the cbxxxx. IMHO!:character0028: > Click to expand... well that is both good and bad, good in that the belt can be hidden completely. bad in that i might need to spend some money on a new belt soon!

Dear Allythemaid, I have the She-Male Sports Model; I can wear it with any male clothing and it is undetectable. I even have a few female swimsuit panties that I love wearing under my male clothes. The belt is unnoticeable even in these, of course I haven't got the guts to wear them at the pool yet??? I feel that this Belt style hides you much more than CB3K styles ever could. It makes me feel so feminine when lock, just a smooth feminine front with nothing sticking out down there; it's tucked away for safe keeping. Here are a couple of pics showing how well it can hide you!! Missy Tanya

> Missy Tanya said: > Dear Allythemaid, > I have the She-Male Sports Model; I can wear it with any male clothing and it is undetectable. I even have a few female swimsuit panties that I love wearing under my male clothes. The belt is unnoticeable even in these, of course I haven't got the guts to wear them at the pool yet??? I feel that this Belt style hides you much more than CB3K styles ever could. It makes me feel so feminine when lock, just a smooth feminine front with nothing sticking out down there; it's tucked away for safe keeping. Here are a couple of pics showing how well it can hide you!! > Missy Tanya > Click to expand... Missy Tanya, that is sooo girly and flat and dollyanne is envious. You could definitely wear that at the pool, and you should! But dolly is especially envious of those terrific fingernails! Done in slut red and shaped so beautifully! Huggs,:animal0008: dollyanne

> Missy Tanya said: > It makes me feel so feminine when lock, just a smooth feminine front with nothing sticking out down there; it's tucked away for safe keeping. > Missy Tanya > Click to expand... OH, i want one, but they cost so much. but i WANT one! Starting a fund for a steel belt! Thanks for the picks Missy Tanya... they look great

**concealing** > allythemaid said: > I do have a question for those who have experienced one of these belts... are they unobtrusive? As in, can you wear them under normal boy clothes like everyday suits and pants, or do they stick out like a sore thumb? > I would love to get one but day-to-day wear requires discretion. > Click to expand... hi there:boobeyes:,, all neosteel belts conceal fantastic,that's actually what they are made for,, i go swimming with the kids in the masterpiece T/V belt or the fantastic "ARCH" only the "ARCH" restricts less and allows more movement. Generally I feel the "ARCH" is more comfortable .. i deal with a lot of people and staff daily but no one once noticed or expected my chastity belts,even in tide trout hers or jeans..one gets used to the "ARCH" so well that it wears just like panties. Myself, i don`t feel the chastity belt at all anymore during my daily routine,, it is just there,, unnoticeable!! attached some old pictures of mine without the masterpiece system [no linings or profiles ] from years ago with the T/V option.. reg.. GWENY:indifferent0028: P/S soon i will post some NEW pictures!!!:anim_19:

Thanks both Dollyanna and Allythemaid for the great complements. As Gweny always says (and she should know), "you will almost forget it is there". The belt just becomes part of you and I love that it makes me feel so feminine. You girls save your pennies and one day soon we will get to see you locked in Neosteel. Missy Tanya

Well I am sold:love0001: guess I shall have to start saving my shiny pennies. My sissy sent me some pics and videos of one of these but I was worried due to the price. So maybe if she is really good....... Though I have to ask about a good device until I have enough of those shiny pennies. I have been looking with the idea of having a special surprise at Christmas. I am torn between cb3000 and the 6000 and was troubled by the splitting issues some of you all reported.

**"arch"** after a long time,day and night,,still with the "ARCH",,no wear and tear!! modern, higienic,secure and relaiable,,, reg...GWENY:scared0016:

Looks nice and tight just like mine Gweny:happy0030::happy0030: I was reading somewhere that somebody wore theirs loose enough to pull the rear cable aside. Can you do that on yours?

**Looks great** Gweny, Looks perfect and one can see it is there to do its job. Assuming that functions are not too difficult to attend to - what about comfort? i still have my CB 3000 for days only - cannot sleep in it. Beg to have it removed.

**"arch"** @chastitycuckold, no that is not possible,i think than it is too loose as well and not "secure" anymore @SissY Aline, as i mentioned several times,, i live in the "ARCH" which means I work, ride my bike, sleep in it, do everything with the "ARCH" except ......... SORRY,,you know what i mean,,but that is exactly what the "ARCH" is all about and made for; it serves its purpose!!! the "ARCH" is very comfortable does not restrikt and conceals fantastic.... i feel very comfortable with the "ARCH"..here are 2 pictures of the "ARCH" modul.... for more info send me a P/M,, reg.. GWENY:anim_37:

The arch looks perfect. I must start saving. I think being tucked 24/7 with the arch would be bliss. Can you make it so it tucks your testis away?

how easy is it to go to the toilet with the arch? Is it a mess, or can you use the bathroom without messing up the wire?

> Bryan6000 said: > how easy is it to go to the toilet with the arch? Is it a mess, or can you use the bathroom without messing up the wire? > Click to expand... LOL....those were my thoughts but actually and surprisingly it is really no problem at all. Wipe in the normal way then use one baby wet wipe; two if needed, and no problems. I quite enjoy having to take a little more care regarding hygiene: 1/ it is not bad to be hygienic and 2/ if I'm apart from Ma'am it's a reminder that I have no control but she does.... Funnily enough when I first went into it I never had a problem with that, but peeing was a real issue; my mind wouldn't let go. I guess because it took a while to accept it was alright to let go whilst pointing backwards...it was strange but after a couple of days and no problem....:confused0068:

**arch** > Slave_Kris said: > The arch looks perfect. I must start saving. I think being tucked 24/7 with the arch would be bliss. > Can you make it so it tucks your testis away? > Click to expand... that little clitty is tucked away quite nicely and very secure,,the rest is right and left of the pipe,, it is very comfortable.. reg. gweny:anim_37:

Hello, can anybody compare "Neosteel Stainless Steel Snap Lock" to the "Abus Padlock"? The first one seems easy to circumvent (the key does not look complicated). Is it secure?

i use both ... well i prefer the ABUS lock....both are secure ..i just prefer the ABUS lock...i don`t know if it is possible to temper with stainless steel snap lock,i never tried it..reg.GWENY:happy0187:

**Afraid** Well. I used a chastity belt before... but found an way-out My wife saw and read about the neostell and we ordered one; is it 100% secure?? She said that i will be allowed to cum once every two months. Do you think she can accomplish that with the Neosteel belt? :scared0016:

There is only one answer to that: yes:-)

yes,,, the fun is over!! LOL ..reg. gweny:welcome:

Yes she will, but: Remember to get the measurements exactly right or visit Dr. Mende to have him do them personally. We did that and today I am belted in a 100% secure belt that is comfortable for long term wear. I agree with Gweny and Fantasee: The fun is over:-)

> mlcf said: > Well. I used a chastity belt before... but found an way-out My wife saw and read about the neostell and we ordered one; is it 100% secure?? She said that i will be allowed to cum once every two months. Do you think she can accomplish that with the Neosteel belt? >:scared0016: > Click to expand... SORRY... but which model did you order??..reg. GWENY:anim_39:

**welll** We ordered the shemale with chain design... After reading a few messages I am getting very worried... Once she tastes that lifestyle She doesn't want anything else...

don`t worry too much,,,, i don`t have any experience with the chain design,,BUT i believe there is nothing wrong with that... measurements done right is the most important thing!! neosteel makes the best belts and let me tell you,, there is no "wrong" belt or wrong design from neosteel,,, one can get used to any belt or system from that maker... I love the masterpiece "ARCH" but i also can wear the T/V system,,changing,after a few days i don't feel the difference,,right is,,i "prefer" the "ARCH" but the T/V is as comfortable after a few days.. a lot of those things are just a matter of what one gets used to!! reg..GWENY:anim_48:

So the rear cable cannot be held away from the anus while taking a dump? The feces just smears all over the cable and you have to clean up? This seems like it would be most unpleasant.

"Hello Efedorsj, I have the cable type. It's small enough for me to slip it in and hook just a bit of my butt so it stays out of the way while I go. Then I do the wiping with care and use baby wipes made specifically for backdoor cleaning. This keeps me feeling clean, almost like I'm not wearing anything at all. As I mentioned earlier, I prefer handling this business right before showering because that lets me get even cleaner afterward. Still, I tend to shower immediately regardless of whether the belt is locked or unlocked; it's just my personal routine for staying fresh. Racing Strips are better left on the pavement." Missy Tanya

**By the way.. she lied...** Third month gone and i have not seen, touched or cum since that..... I try remove... and don't come out... I almost hut my hip on desperate occasion....

sounds like fun! tell us more, maybe share some pics:)

**Sure why not...** In an couple days i post an few...

**Neosteel Arch belt** Wow, a lot of traffic on this topic. I just received my Neosteel Arch belt with Masterpiece hip band and I'm very impressed. It really is incredibly low profile under clothes since the penis tube goes down and sharply back under you and so does provide a groove between your balls. At the "worst " the pubic profile is flat but you will get a little "Camel Toe" with the right clothes and if your balls are in the right place (i.e. as far up and out a possible, theres normally some limited range of adjustment under the tube). That wasnt on my wish list but the belt *not* sticking out was -- Im delighted. There was some discussion further up the thread about toileting issues. Like one of the other correspondents I found it hard to pee in the belt to begin with. In the end I drank 2 cans of beer and went easily! Now its not a problem. I didnt realise that there are *two* wire diameters with the Neosteel male sport belt designs. The regular hip sport belt (and system sport belt) uses a 4mm wire and it doesnt run particularly close to the body. It can be largely moved aside for toilet functions. But on the Arch design and Shemale sport designs the cable is 10mm and runs much closer to the body. Horrible though it sounds youve just got to go and clean up afterwards. Its not the end of the world but a shower or bidet is nice thing to have in the bathroom. The Neosteel female sport belt designs all have the close fitted 10mm cable. I asked Reinhold about this when I visited. He confirmed that the thicker cable is present on all belts that require it for security. Its not there just to make life more difficult! Something he also mentioned, its on the site but Id not noticed, is that this is designed also to prevent access to the anus in other words its a chastity belt for your backside as well as your front side! So this really is a complete chastity belt. Even though Ive had the belt just 5 days I find movement when wearing it surprisingly good, I think worth the little extra time in the bathroom. Years ago I had a wait belt design with chains. For me, this is ten times better to wear without doubt, YMMV. I posted some pictures on Locknkeep. Ill put them up here in due course but if you cant wait go to the locknkeep gallery section and seach for "neo arch belt" Anyway, its late and Id better go and try to sleep in it for the first time! Regards to all. andee

Congrats on your new Belt, Andee. Another one bites the dust, or got dusted, I'm never quite sure. Sound like my new belt will be the Arch design. I have the She-Male Sports model with the heaver cable, I can just pull to one side enough for bathroom duties, and can slip a toy in on those special occasions. Maybe mine is a little to loose on the cable length, but I like it for now. Welcome to another Neosteel Belt wearer, Missy Tanya

**:)** > Missy Tanya said: > Congrats on your new Belt, Andee. Another one bites the dust, or got dusted, I'm never quite sure. Sound like my new belt will be the Arch design. I have the She-Male Sports model with the heaver cable, I can just pull to one side enough for bathroom duties, and can slip a toy in on those special occasions. Maybe mine is a little to loose on the cable length, but I like it for now. > Welcome to another Neosteel Belt wearer, Missy Tanya > Click to expand... Thanks Missy Tanya. I'm enjoying getting used to it although that's not a quick task:) Good luck with your belt andee

I'm seriously weighing up the Arch option, though I have a few questions still hanging around. I was browsing the site but wasn't entirely sure if the ergo model supports attachments. ---Has anyone here got experience with the "ergo" rear piece? ---For those using the thong cable setup, any thoughts on dildo compatibility? ---Any feedback on the Silver ion coating... what did it cost (the website says to request a quote)? ---Do all of you Arch owners use a standard tube, or is there a climate-controlled version available as well?

@ Andee I'm curious to find out how much your belt cost since I think I want the exact same model. Thanks!

> efedorsj said: > @ Andee > I'm curious to find out how much your belt cost since I think I want the exact same model. > Thanks! > Click to expand... The total came in just over 1000 Euro, including both the Silver ion coating and the climate borings (holes). That's a steep price, but as detailed below those add-ons added quite a bit. I also went for the adjustable Masterpiece hip band. By comparison, a Sport hip belt (non-system type) runs about 3/4 of that cost. Since I figured I was only buying one main unit, I decided to go for it! I haven't bought other options like dildos yet:) @cloe.2b > ---Any feedback on the Silver ion coating... what did it cost (the website says to request a quote)? I ordered my belt with this option included. It added an extra 100 Euros. > ---Do all of you Arch owners use a standard tube, or is there a climate-controlled version available as well? That's an optional upgrade at the (standard) price of 43 Euro. I opted for that too. > thx for any answers:) No problem, good luck!

> Andee said: > The total came in just over 1000 Euro, including both the Silver ion coating and the climate borings (holes). > That's a steep price, but as detailed below those add-ons added quite a bit. I also went for the adjustable Masterpiece hip band. > By comparison, a Sport hip belt (non-system type) runs about 3/4 of that cost. Since I figured I was only buying one main unit, I decided to go for it! I haven't bought other options like dildos yet:) > @cloe.2b > > ---Any feedback on the Silver ion coating... what did it cost (the website says to request a quote)? > I ordered my belt with this option included. It added an extra 100 Euros. > > ---Do all of you Arch owners use a standard tube, or is there a climate-controlled version available as well? > That's an optional upgrade at the (standard) price of 43 Euro. I opted for that too. > > thx for any answers:) > No problem, good luck! > Click to expand... Hi there... the fantastic "ARCH" at its finest. I have the regular tube and it works well for me with the ABC coating. I believe I was one of the first people to get a masterpiece "ARCH" from Neosteel over two years ago. The ABC coating was added about a year later. There isn't a single day that goes by without my "ARCH" on top. I think the "ARCH" is the ultimate solution for an uncomplicated, modern, secure, and comfortable chastity belt... plus it conceals outstandingly well! gwenty:cat:

**I have finally ordered the Arch** I just placed my order for the ARCH, complete with masterpiece hip belt, climate tube, and ABC coating. All we need to do now is wait! Let's see if my wife finds it as "useful" as she claims.

Congratulations, Snuffle! mikecb

**"arch"** > Snufflepig said: > I just placed my order for the ARCH, complete with masterpiece hip belt, climate tube, and ABC coating. > All we need to do now is wait! > Let's see if my wife finds it as "useful" as she claims > Click to expand... Congratulations from me too..... your K/H will not regret this!! reg. GWENY:snail:

**Any Day Now** I ordered the Arch five weeks ago, so it should arrive any moment now. The anticipation is driving me nuts!:0)

**arch....** Be patient... check out the extra options for future reference here. It's winter where I am and I love my stockings; nothing bothers me more than cold legs..reg..GWENY:snail:

> gweny said: > Be patient... check out the extra options for future reference here. It's winter where I am and I love my stockings; nothing bothers me more than cold legs..reg..GWENY:snail: > Click to expand... Thank you, Gweny, but it is currently 90 degrees F right here! I think I'll stick with shorts and tank tops for the next three months. And a special thank you to you, Gweny, for constantly championing Neosteel products, especially the Arch. Your comments really helped push me to drop a massive amount of cash on this wild, crazy contraption. Sigh. The suspense is driving me mad. Will it fit? Did I measure correctly? And now it probably won't arrive before next Tuesday. Arrrgggh.... JustLocked

**well..** I was thinking like you a few months ago... now I'm wondering... what on earth did I do? My wife is loving her new toy as hard as rock at any time.... And for me, it's just the joy of not cumming,,,:HappyDay:

**arch** > mlcf said: > I was thinking like you a few months ago... now I'm wondering... what on earth did I do? My wife is loving her new toy as hard as rock at any time.... And for me, it's just the joy of not cumming,,,:HappyDay: > Click to expand... Please explain...I don't get it!!?? reg..GWENY:snail:

I ordered the Arch a couple of weeks ago - expecting delivery in early July. Judging by what's been written here, I'm sure not to be disappointed!

**Arch** > TiddlyDyke said: > I ordered the Arch a couple of weeks ago - expecting delivery in early July. Judging by what's been written here, I'm sure not to be disappointed! > Click to expand... Nope:)

My Arch arrived yesterday. I might have measured wrong, or perhaps it just needs a bit more bending...not sure yet. Sigh. Man, this thing is thicker and heavier than I expected! But I certainly hope to get the adjustments right soon - it looks so cool!

I believe the belt is several centimeters too long, while the Arch's cable seems a few centimeters short. My mistake, no doubt. I think I see how I messed up the measurements now. This belt and Arch are just beautiful! What craftsmanship! If only I had done my part (the measurements) half as well. Sigh. I can't wait to get this locked on! JustLocked

> JustLocked said: > I believe the belt is several centimeters too long, while the Arch's cable seems a few centimeters short. My mistake, no doubt. I think I see how I messed up the measurements now. > > This belt and Arch are just beautiful! What craftsmanship! If only I had done my part (the measurements) half as well. Sigh. I can't wait to get this locked on! > JustLocked > Click to expand... Hi...I am sorry about that...... it happens..it happened to me years ago with my very first belt....everything was too BIG and measured too long..measure again...send it back and unfortunately you have to wait for a while longer..but that`s the only solution...with full belts it is so important to get the measurements right otherwise nothing works properly..it` s uncomfortable, doesn't fit well, causes pain and red marks... reg.. GWENY:rolleyes:

Hmm, maybe it isn't as bad as I thought! With some careful bending, I've now managed to wear it for the last three hours with no real problem! The Arch's cable still needs to be about three centimeters longer, I think, and the waistband still seems to ride a little low or loose, but there are some strategic bends in my future that could fix all that. So far, it's relatively comfortable, considering we're talking steel against skin. Of course, that's only been three hours today, plus one or two last night... Update: After four hours, I took it off to inspect the situation. There is a bit of an irritated spot along the path of the tube, but nothing severe. There's a red line all around my waist from the waistband, but again, not too bad. All in all, a decent start, I think!:o JustLocked

> JustLocked said: > Hmm, maybe it isn't as bad as I thought! With some careful bending, I've now been able to wear it for the last three hours with no real problem! The Arch's cable still needs to be about three centimeters or so longer, I think, and the waistband still seems to ride a little low, or maybe a little loose, but there are some careful bends in my future that could change all that. > So far, it's relatively comfortable, considering we're taling steel against skin. Of course, that's only three hours today, and one or two last night... > Update: After four hours, I took it off, to see what's what. There is a bit of an irritated spot along the path of the tube, but it's not too bad. There's a red line all the way around my waist from the waistband, but again, not too bad. All in all, a decent start, I think!:o) > JustLocked > Click to expand... Check here on my T/V option; you can see how tight my belt sits and that it's comfortable. I wear it 24/7...you have to get used to it. Yes, the start is there, but if the cable is too long, you won't be 100% satisfied and you won't be able to wear it for a long time. Steel we can bend but not stretch; that's no other way—you have to send it back for shortening. One stage I had to shorten mine by 1.5 cm and even that made a big difference... reg. GWENY

Well, it's taken a lot of bending to get the waistband into anything resembling...well...me. It didn't take me long to discover I'm not very good at bending steel with my bare hands. So I bought some gloves. They kept my hands from hurting quite as much, but didn't noticeably increase my strength, so I pulled out the next purchase, a couple of strong C-clamps. I figured I needed to make some very specific bends to small areas of the belt, without bending or warping the rest of it, so the C-clamps would help with that. Plus, it's just fun to say "C-clamps". Reminds me of Japanese clover clamps...but I digress... Anyway, I absolutely love the look and feel of this belt, and I think with some careful (and somewhat painful) bending, I've got the waistband to fit pretty well. It may be a bit loose, but I think I'm going to try and live with it like this for awhile. The Arch's cable, however, is definitely too short by about three centimeters. That's actually quite a lot, but I want some slack in the cable so I can pull it aside for bathroom duties. Dr. Mende suggested I cut the cable and lengthen it temporarily with some strong shrink-tubing. I bought the stuff, but couldn't find "strong" shrink-tubing -- and I really hated to cut that cable anyway. So I put a zip tie around the notches in the end of the cable, and another zip tie through the slot in the belt, and looped them together. I adjusted the length of the zip ties to tweak the cable length while adjusting the waistband. This works pretty well, though it certainly wouldn't work for wearing very long. It's been a busy couple of weeks, but I'm pretty pleased with the results. I hate to wait to get the cable lengthened, but of course I want to be sure I've got everything right this time -- it isn't cheap to get the work re-done, after all. JustLocked (not at the moment)

Just a quick update... the zip ties work very well for lengthening the cable (temporarily). And a big thanks to all who mentioned silicone lube. That stuff stays slippery forever! I've been able to wear the belt for four days straight, and expect to go a week or so after taking it off tomorrow for a trip to an amusement park. I expect to take it off for only fifteen hours or so, then right back into the belt. This belt is surprisingly comfortable!

I just received my Arch and Masterpiece last week. It's definitely an incredible piece of craftsmanship. Comparing it to my traditional sports belt with ergonomic waistband, I've noticed that the waistband of the Masterpiece sits lower on the hips than the traditional ergonomic waistband. I've always been able to do just about anything in my Sports belt: jog, cycle, swim, even play softball. I'm not sure that the Masterpiece's lower ride is going to be as functional, but I'll see. It's also going to take some getting used to the thicker rear cable; it seems to dig in a little bit, but hopefully that can be corrected with adjustments. It's definitely a different feel than the Sports belt, but no less secure. Of course, the same tricks I've found that can be used to defeat the sports belt can also defeat the Arch, namely a Hitachi Magic Wand, but the answer to that is simple: don't have access to one. I know the look is popular with a lot of the sissies who want to tuck their package for a slimmer front look. Personally, I wish the front look maintained a little more masculine appearance, as my girlfriend doesn't really care for the tucked look.